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[yap]

Howdy!

Since the SA has been released (which is otherwise great, btw ) , I've noticed 2 bugs that I did not see before:

1. the remaining ammo display (i.e. the bullets in the weapon, not the ammo counter) sometimes disappears. The weapon is working normally, i.e. I can shoot and reload it, but the bullets only re-appear after buying new ammo.

2. the music starts to hang after playing a while (typically after about 10-20 min.). A ~1 sec. sample is played in an infinite loop which is quite annoying. I haven't found a solution for this other than restarting. Usually I just turn off the music completely...

I'm playing SG on Ubuntu 8.10 and I thought the bugs may be Linux related but I never saw them when playing the 2.2 beta on the same system using the ioQuake Engine. So I thought that these bugs may rather be engine-related... Can somebody confirm this?

[Breli]

Hi,

1. This is known and already fixed AFAIB by Joe Kari. To be rolled out alongside with the first patch.

2. Thats new. At least I haven't heard of it? Never had that although I play with music on. Does that ALWAYS happen on your machine\installation?

Breli

[zeVlad]

I got also the music loop sometimes. On duel maps, BR maps, on different servers... I don't know exactly what are the specific conditions when it happens. Sorry for the lack of elements, it's just to confirm.

[yap]

Does that ALWAYS happen on your machine\installation?

Well, it happens quite often but it takes some time. Unfortunately I don't know how to reproduce it so I'm afraid I can't give you more information atm...

[Ugly]

I've had people's death cries repeating endlessly at one point in the map which is kind of spooky. Sounds like the entrance to hell!

The only map I get sound glitches on is backwater.

[yap]

I've had people's death cries repeating endlessly at one point in the map which is kind of spooky

I got also the music loop sometimes. On duel maps, BR maps, on different servers...

What OS do you use? And, if you were using the ioQuake engine with the SG beta before, did you also have that problem?

The only map I get sound glitches on is backwater.

Does the background music (or the sound effects) really differ between the maps? If so, I've never noticed that Anyway, I only have this problem with the background music, the sound effects have been working fine...

I've heard that you are planning to use the ioQuake engine in the near future. Is it because of known bugs in the quake3 engine? Maybe this is one of the unkown bugs

[zeVlad]

I run on Ubuntu 8.10, and I used before the wq3 mod 2.2 on OpenArena. I hadn't this problem.

[ReD NeCKersoN]

I've heard that you are planning to use the ioQuake engine in the near future. Is it because of known bugs in the quake3 engine?

The IoQ3 engine is more up to date with many bug fixes & enhancements. It's also much easier to compile across many platforms. We should have fewer problems once the switch is made.

[yap]

We should have fewer problems once the switch is made.

Now that made me curious : is there such a huge difference between the interfaces of the ioQuake and Quake3 engine? After all, they have to run the same games so I thought they were 100% compatible and therefore easily exchangable (at least the ioQuake engine should be imho backwards compatible in order to run the unmodified Quake3). Obviously I was wrong...

[sparcdr]

yap: look at the code on sourceforge and you'll see there's a lot of weapon physics changes and portions of code that can't just be merged into ioq3.

[yap]

Ah, so you've modified the q3 engine for the SA version... I didn't know that. And I did not notice any changes regarding the weapons. Did the stats change too or are the values listed here still valid?

[sparcdr]

Yes, though there's some shotgun spread discussion taking place. I am just noting one area, while other components are also modified. You can download the original 2005 source release from Id Software's FTP and run a program such as WinMerge to compare files.

[torhu]

Now that made me curious : is there such a huge difference between the interfaces of the ioQuake and Quake3 engine? After all, they have to run the same games so I thought they were 100% compatible and therefore easily exchangable (at least the ioQuake engine should be imho backwards compatible in order to run the unmodified Quake3). Obviously I was wrong...

No, you are right. SG runs unmodified as an ioquake3 mod, I just swapped some lead on Rawhide using that setup. The modifications made to the SG engine are all optional features. Quake 3 has a wonderfully modular design.

[sparcdr]

Yes, sorry... you can run SG under say UrbanTerror (I believe Joe did to showcase VBO performance gains) it's just a matter of certain features that make the game yet more unique which are in-code.

[yap]

Thank you for the clarification guys!

You can download the original 2005 source release from Id Software's FTP and run a program such as WinMerge to compare files.

Thx, but reading (and writing) source code is something I have to do every day at work so it's not me preferred spare time occupation And btw, I prefer vimdiff for file comparison (no flaming please)